JJ
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JJ asked in Society & CultureRoyalty · 4 weeks ago

What is the social ranking for Sarah, duchess of York?

Prince Andrew and Sarah were divorced in 1996, at which time Sarah was styled as Sarah, duchess of York.  

Does Sarah have social precedence over all of the non-royal duchesses of the United Kingdom, or does Sarah socially rank after all of the non-royal duchesses?  

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  • Rico
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    4 weeks ago
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    A former wife of a peer retains precedence on the basis of her former husband.  If the convention is followed for former wives of princes, she assumed precedence for herself after loosing the HRH, on the basis of being a non royal peeress consort. This would place her after the Duchess of Fife, as the most recently created Dukedom which is no longer a royal Dukedom 

    In a situation where her ex husband is Present AND she is in attendance as his 'plus 1' she has precedence with him, but unlike greeting the spouses of her former brother in laws, she does not get bowed to 

  • 4 weeks ago

    Sara is a NON-ROYAL Duchess, meaning she was not born into a royal family.

  • Jade
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    4 weeks ago

    You cannot get lower than - 0

  • Anonymous
    4 weeks ago

    She is now a lowly peasant woman

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  • Princess Sarah still uses the style of her ex-husband - with whom she is allegedly still in partnership. She is also the mother of princesses. So although her social ranking may be open for debate, I think most people would be ill-advised to snub her or they are effectively snubbing Prince Andrew and Princesses Beatrix and Eugenie. I imagine most non-royal duchesses would understand the reality of the situation and still treat Princess Sarah as though she were HRH. 

    • Rico
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      4 weeks agoReport

      Thumbs down because she’s never been styled, formally or informally as 'princess Sarah'

  • Clo
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    4 weeks ago

    The precedence of the non-royal peerage is based on the date of that peerage's creation. See 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_precedence...

    The dukedom for York was created in 1383 so any earlier dukedom might be considered higher in precedence; there is only one, another royal dukedom. Since the Dukedom of York is based on a royal  peerage it isn't easy to give Sarah a ranking just on the title.

    Sarah has no royal ranking since she lost the HRH after the divorce. She only has the courtesy styling and is not the title holder in her own right. If she remarries, and not to Andrew, she loses the styling Duchess of York. Her placement in precedent ranks is tricky. Some would consider her higher in precedence because she is an ex-wife of a royal duke and prince. Some would consider her having no ranking for the same reason!

    During certain occasions, the Queen determines precedence just for that day---the Queen could determine that Sarah rank  higher than a non-royal duchess.

    Sarah is in a no-man's land, where official members of the royal family outrank her in precedence, but she still has that courtesy styling.

    • Rico
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      4 weeks agoReport

      The current creation of the York Dukedom (1986) is used to determine precedence in the absence of royal status.  NOT the year of original creation

  • 4 weeks ago

    She has a degree of 'social ranking' but only as Sarah, Duchess of York.   No HRH since her divorce.   I'm not sure what you mean by 'non-royal duchesses' - Sarah was only 'royal' through her marriage to HRH Andrew, Duke of York.   I suspect her 'ranking' would be the same as any other non-royal duchess.   As if it really matters.   She has some standing as the mother of two daughters who are in line to the British Throne, if significantly down the line.

    @ JJ.  Moot point re whether these 'Dukes' are or are not 'royal'.  eg "Duke of Grafton is a title in the Peerage of England. It was created in 1675 by Charles II of England for Henry FitzRoy, his second illegitimate son by the Duchess of Cleveland"  They are most certainly members of the aristocracy.

    • JJ
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      4 weeks agoReport

      Non-royal duchesses are the wives of non-royal dukes: dukes of Grafton, Sutherland, Westminster, etc.  

  • 4 weeks ago

    She's better than Camilla. Then again your average tramp is better than Camilla.

  • PAMELA
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    4 weeks ago

    No, she has no standing at all now, she is no longer a member of the royal family.

  • Anonymous
    4 weeks ago

    She doesn't out rank anyone she has the same social precedence as any other former of the royal family. because she is no longer a member of the royal family.

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