Does Romans 3:23 say "We all ***DO*** sin and fall short of the glory of God? Why does the next vs say "Being justified freely..." (v24)?
@ DONALD "THE BLOOD OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST HAS CLEANSED ME FROM ALL SINS" (I JOHN 1:7) AND NOW "I'M RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH" (ROMANS 3:22) IN HIS BLOOD BUT I SEE YOU AND OTHERS DON'T HAVE ANY TRUST IN HIS BLOOD!
BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU'RE STILL SINNERS!
"BY THOU MOUTH THY SHALT BE CONDEMNED" (MATTHEW 12:37)!
@DONALD UPDATE #2
THAT IS NOT IN ROMANS "ACCUSER" (REV 12:10)!
I JOHN 1:6-10 SAYS
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
"Walk in darkness" without Holy Spirit baptism by whom we "join to His Spirit" (I Cor 6:17) and "all of our sins have been "purged by His Son Jesus Christ" (Hebrews 9:14) who "guides into all truth" (John 6:13). So how do you sin?
All you have to do is OBEY "the commandments He puts in our hearts and minds" (Heb 8:10-12) as He "gives commandments to those He's chosen" (Acts 1:2).
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. But I see another law in my members warring against the law of my mind bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God but with the flesh the law of sin" (Rm 7:22-25)!
"There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are ***IN*** Christ Jesus [via Holy Spirit baptism Gal 3:27] who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit " (Romans 8:1)!
I'm "righteous by faith" (Romans 3:22) that was received as a "Spiritual gift" (I Cor 12:9) after Holy Spirit baptism (I Cor 12:13).
"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it" (I Cor 10:13).
YOU PEOPLE ARE "CONDEMNED BY YOUR WORDS" (MATT 12:37)!
- PhilLv 68 months ago
When Socrates was sentenced to death for his philosophical investigations, and for blasphemy for challenging the gods of the city — and he accepted his death — he did say, "well, if we are lucky, perhaps I'll be able to hold conversation with other great thinkers and philosophers and doubters too."
In other words the discussion about what is good, what is beautiful, what is noble, what is pure, and what is true could always go on.
Why is that important? Why would I like to do that? Because that's the only conversation worth having.
And whether it goes on or not after I die, I don't know. But I do know that that's the conversation I want to have while I'm still alive.
Which means that to me, the offer of certainty, the offer of complete security, the offer of an impermeable faith that can't give way, is an offer of something not worth having.
I want to live my life taking the risk all the time that I don't know anything like enough yet; that I haven't understood enough; that I can't know enough; that I'm always hungrily operating on the margins of a potentially great harvest of future knowledge and wisdom.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
And I'd urge you to look at... those people who tell you, at your age, that you're dead till you believe as they do — what a terrible thing to be telling to children!
And that you can only live by accepting an absolute authority — don't think of that as a gift. Think of it as a poisoned chalice. Push it aside however tempting it is. Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.
- OPsaltisLv 71 year ago
Salvation is not a one-time event. It's a process -- we are "being transformed" from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18). We were saved by the death and life-giving resurrection of Jesus Christ; we are saved by God's grace (Eph 2:8) ; we shall be saved (Rom 5:10) by his life.
Search the scriptures -- see that God's redemption of his beloved creatures is past, present, and future. We can point to a time when we first made a decision to follow Christ -- but that's neither the beginning of salvation nor the end of it. It is ongoing. That's why repentance is also ongoing -- to stay on the path, to get up and dust ourselves off when we fall, to take the hand of God again, and resume the journey to our final home in God.
- PubliusLv 71 year ago
Yes, it says that.
But if we actually bother to try to do as the Father says, and give up our sins, Christ can do more than just justifying us. Justification means to be brought in line with some standard or starting point. Exaltation means to be lifted above that.
- JenniferLv 61 year ago
Do you mean to tell all of us here that you haven't had so much as a sinful thought since your holy spirit baptism?
If you have, and we all know you have--we've seen the results of some of them, you are also STILL a sinner--just like the rest of us.
The difference between you and someone who hasn't been "baptized" is that you can repent and rid yourself of all the sins you commit....and that's what Paul is referring to. As believers, we shouldn't want to live a whole life of sin, but that doesn't mean we won't, on occasion, commit a sin or two....for which we have to repent.
UPDATE: Most of us here are saying the same thing--you admit in the comments to this question that you do "sin." So that is not the argument.
The problem is the definition of the term "sinner." Most of us here are using the term in it's most basic English version--one who sins--which is all of us. Norine is using the term in the Biblical sense. A "sinner" being someone who has not repented, and lives still "in sin."
Norine sins, but she is saved and can repent. Her use of the word "sinner" refers to someone who has not yet been saved, and still needs to repent. I think we're all on the same page given these differences.
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- magix151Lv 71 year ago
Read on. The rest of the verse and the next explain it.
- DonaldLv 61 year ago
we all do.
this includes you.Source(s): keep reading.... 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. you show no love for GOD or man. ever........ satan is your master. not JESUS. nothing Christian about you now. (NOTHING) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
- MalcolmLv 71 year ago
"All have sinned and [DO] fall short of the glory of God." One contributor, N., likes to edit scripture as suggested here.